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		<title>Bigger Civil War, 2000 or 2009?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Civil War count stands at 112. It&#8217;s about to move to 113. Through all those games, there have been just a handful that have truly mattered at a national level. In recent memory, a Pac-10 title has been at stake four times (that&#8217;s since football began in 1994). Before that, I&#8217;d guess the total [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Civil War count stands at 112. It&#8217;s about to move to 113. Through all those games, there have been just a handful that have truly mattered at a national level. In recent memory, a Pac-10 title has been at stake four times (that&#8217;s since football began in 1994). Before that, I&#8217;d guess the total was probably about four all time.</p>
<p>But really, the argument for &#8220;Biggest Civil War Ever&#8221; really comes down to one of two years: 2000 or 2009?</p>
<p>You can make an argument for either year. I had been thinking 2009 without question. Now that I look back at it, it&#8217;s a lot closer than I thought but two things ultimately make this the bigger game: (1) The winner goes to the Rose Bowl and (2) Media attention is infinitely more intense now.</p>
<p>In arguing for the the 2000 game, you could say both teams were more nationally prominent. The records were much better and Oregon was aiming at becoming one of a select few teams to ever go undefeated in Pac-10 play.</p>
<p>Either way, you can&#8217;t go wrong.</p>
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<td colspan="4" align="center" bgcolor="#cccccc"><strong>Tale of The Civil War Tape</strong></td>
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<td bgcolor="#dddddd"><strong>Category</strong></td>
<td colspan="2" align="center" bgcolor="#dddddd"><strong>2000</strong></td>
<td colspan="2" align="center" bgcolor="#dddddd"><strong>2009</strong></td>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>UO/OSU Ranking *</strong></td>
<td width="160" align="center">5 &amp; 8</td>
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<td width="160" align="center">8 &amp; 16</td>
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<td height="56" bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>Winner Eligible For Rose Bowl </strong>¥</td>
<td align="center">Both</td>
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<td align="center">Both</td>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>Combined Record Prior to Game</strong></td>
<td align="center">18-2</td>
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<td align="center">17-5</td>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>Combined Win Percentage</strong></td>
<td align="center">90%</td>
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<td align="center">77.2%</td>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>Worst Case Scenario for Losing Team</strong></td>
<td align="center">Holiday Bowl</td>
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<td align="center">Las Vegas Bowl</td>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>TV Broadcast</strong></td>
<td align="center">ABC Regional ??</td>
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<td align="center">ESPN HD National</td>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>Venue</strong></td>
<td align="center">Original Reser</td>
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<td align="center">Remodeled Autzen</td>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>Coaches ±</strong></td>
<td align="center">Erickson/Bellotti</td>
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<td align="center">Riley/Kelly</td>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>Star Players †</strong></td>
<td align="center">Chad Johnson/Joey Harrington</td>
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<td align="center">Jacquizz Rodgers/Jeremiah Masoli</td>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>Roses Being Waved From Our Car in Corvallis En Route To Game</strong></td>
<td align="center">A Bushel</td>
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<td align="center">None</td>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>Soul Crushing Defeats</strong></td>
<td align="center">1</td>
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<td align="center">No Freaking Way</td>
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<p><strong>*</strong> Using AP Rankings.<br />
<strong>¥</strong> Oregon State would have gone to the Rose Bowl had Washington lost later that day so technically, the Beavers had a shot going into the game.<br />
<strong>±</strong> None of the four coaches had/has the cache that Dennis Erickson carried with him off of his Miami Hurricane fame and NFL experience.<br />
<strong>†</strong> I think the 2009 game has more star power, if only because the media is more intense now. Chad Johnson wasn&#8217;t even close to a household name yet and Joey Harrington was a year away from a Times Square billboard.</p>
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