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Who to Root For…The “More Scenarios Than Necessary” Edition

Posted By: Nick, Off The Pond under Football @ 7:36 am | November 16, 2009 

The race for the Rose Bowl is simpler in some ways, more complicated in others. For Oregon, it’s more clear than ever that winning out is the only realistic way to get the conference bid to Pasadena. In that sense, it’s simple. Just root for Oregon and all is well. Of course, a loss opens up a lot of ties and that’s where it gets messy. It might help if you brush up on your Rose Bowl Selection Procedures.

Teams Remaining in the Rose Bowl Hunt.

Team Record Remaining Games
Oregon 6-1 @ Arizona, Oregon State
Stanford 6-2 California, Notre Dame
Oregon State 5-2 @ Washington State, @ Oregon
Arizona 4-2 Oregon, @ Arizona State, @ USC
USC 4-3 UCLA, Arizona

Note: USC got left in the race for the fact they can still win a six-way tie. It would be perfectly typical to see USC pull this one out.

Edit: Just found this link which does a superb job of breaking down the Rose Bowl race for all remaining Pac-10 contenders. Check that out if you have even more time to spare.

So Many Scenarios…

The lesson to be learned for the second straight week is that Oregon needs to win out. There is only one somewhat realistic scenario remaining that allows the Ducks to lose another game. In that scenario, Oregon still finishes alone in first. There is actually only one scenario I can find where Oregon ties for first and still gets the Rose Bowl bid. It involves OSU losing to WSU.

1st Place Key Results Rose Bowl Goes To… Why
Outright Scenarios
UO Oregon wins out. Oregon Oregon is the only team to finish 8-1.
UO Oregon loses only to UA, UA does not win out, Cal beats Stanford Oregon Oregon is the only team to finish 7-2.
UO Oregon loses only to OSU, UA does not win out, Cal beats Stanford, OSU loses to WSU Oregon Oregon is the only team to finish 7-2
Two-Way Tie
UO, OSU Oregon loses only to OSU, Stanford loses to Cal OSU OSU owns head-to-head.
UO, UA Oregon loses only to UA, Arizona wins out, Stanford loses to Cal Arizona UA owns head-to-head.
UO, Stanford Oregon loses only to UA, Arizona does not win out, Stanford beats Cal Stanford Stanford owns head-to-head.
UO, UA Oregon loses only to OSU, Arizona beats USC and ASU, OSU loses to WSU Oregon UO owns head-to-head.
Three-Way Tie
UO, OSU, Stanford Oregon loses only to OSU, Stanford beats Cal OSU OSU is 2-0 against the other two teams.
UO, UA, Stanford Oregon loses only to UA, Arizona wins out, Stanford beats Cal Arizona UA is 2-0 against the other two teams.
UO, OSU, UA Oregon loses only to OSU, UA loses to USC, OSU loses to WSU, Stanford loses to Cal Oregon State All teams are 1-1 against each other. 4th place teams likely to be USC, Stanford and Cal at 6-3. OSU and UO are 2-1 against 4th place teams. OSU owns head-to-head against UO.
Pure Craziness (A Sampling of What Could Happen if OSU loses to WSU)
UO, OSU, USC, Stanford Oregon loses out, UA beats only UO, USC wins out, OSU loses to WSU, Stanford loses to Cal Oregon State OSU and Stanford are 2-1 against the other three. OSU owns head-to-head against Stanford.
UO, Stanford, OSU, UA, USC, Cal A lot of things happen. USC USC, UA and OSU are 3-2 against the other five. USC is 2-0 head-to-head vs. UA and OSU.
UO, Stanford, OSU, UA, Cal A lot of things happen and SC loses to UA Arizona UA and OSU are 3-1 against the other four. UA owns head-to-head against OSU.
UO, Stanford, OSU, USC, Cal A lot of things happen, SC beats UA Oregon State OSU is 3-1 against the other 4. The others are all 2-2.

Note: No, WSU is not going to beat OSU this weekend and you can remove about half the scenarios on this chart as a result.

Note x2: These scenarios all involve Oregon and are not the end of the discussion. If Oregon loses out, a number of other combinations not involving the Ducks will play out.

Note x3: Arizona, despite the loss, still controls its own destiny.

The Week Ahead and Who to Root For

This isn’t hard. Pour yourself a beverage, root for the contenders to lose, pull for Oregon to win and everything will be oh so lovely.

Matchup Root For… Why
OSU @ WSU WSU A few more possibilities open up for Oregon if WSU beats OSU. Don’t take this to Vegas, though.
ASU @ UCLA Doesn’t matter Neither team is in the race and neither team will be a factor in a tie-breaker.
Cal @ Stan. Cal In the most likely scenario that allows Oregon another loss, Stanford needs to lose this game.
UO @ UA UO Unless, of course, your heart belongs to another.
USC and UW have a bye

Who to Root For…The “Make My Head Hurt” Edition

Posted By: Nick, Off The Pond under Football @ 8:30 am | November 9, 2009 

This week’s “Who to Root For” gets a lot trickier, but at least we don’t have to follow that pesky national scene anymore. Who wanted that, anyway? Certainly not this ever-optimistic, pie-in-the-sky blog.

The Ducks ceiling is now the Rose Bowl and they remain in great position even after losing to Stanford. I’m going to warn you right now, though. The best thing you can do is stop reading and just root for Oregon to win three more games. But if not…well, good luck interpreting what remains below. It might help if you brush up on your Rose Bowl Selection Procedures.

Teams Remaining in the Rose Bowl Hunt.

Team Record Remaining Games
Oregon 5-1 Arizona State, @ Arizona, Oregon State
Arizona 4-1 @ Cal, Oregon, @ Arizona State @ USC
Stanford 5-2 @ USC, California, Notre Dame
USC 4-2 Stanford, UCLA, Arizona
Oregon State 4-2 Washington, @ Washington State, @ Oregon

Note: Some other teams remain mathematically alive, but it’s being assumed no team with three league losses will win the conference.

Now, Let’s Really Waste Some Time…

There are endless scenarios that could play out. Below is a chart of possible outcomes that explore Oregon’s Rose Bowl chances if they finish in a three-way tie for first. The assumption is made that all contenders will beat non-contenders on their schedule. In other words, a team like Cal is assumed to lose to both Arizona and Stanford. In this case, Oregon has virtually zero chance of winning any tiebreakers because of their loss to Stanford. The Ducks best hope of getting to the Rose Bowl is to win out. Their next best chance is to have Stanford lose to USC and Cal. This would put Stanford lower in the standings and the they’d be less likely to figure into a complicated three-way tiebreaking scenario (see link for Rose Bowl Selection Procedures).

If you have a life and/or don’t want a headache, you can skip reading below and I’ll deliver the bottom line in less than 15 words: Oregon does not want a three-way tie. They need to win out.

1st Place Key Results Rose Bowl Goes To… Why
UO Oregon wins out. Oregon
UO, USC, UA Oregon loses only to Arizona and USC wins out. OSU and Stanford finish tied for 4th place. USC Each team is 1-1 against each other. Record against 4th place team is used. USC and UA would be 2-0, Oregon 1-1. USC has head-to-head over UA.
UO, Stanford, UA Oregon loses only to Arizona,USC beats Arizona and Stanford wins out. USC and OSU finish tied for 4th place. Arizona Oregon is 0-2 against Stanford and Arizona. UA has the head-to-head over Stanford.
UO, USC, OSU Oregon beats Arizona, loses to Oregon State and USC wins out. Stanford and Arizona finish tied for 4th place. USC Each team is 1-1 against each other. Record against 4th place team is used. USC is 2-0 while UO and OSU are 1-1.
UO, OSU, UA Oregon loses to Oregon State, USC beats Stanford, Arizona beats USC. USC and Stanford finish tied for 4th place. Arizona Each team is 1-1 against each other. Record against 4th place team is used. UA is 2-0 while UO and OSU are 1-1.
UO, OSU, Stanford Oregon loses only to OSU, Stanford wins out, and USC beats Arizona. USC and Arizona finish tied for 4th place. Oregon State Oregon is 0-2 against OSU and Stanford. OSU has the head-to-head over Stanford.

Note: I did not explore any two-way tiebreaking scenarios. The problem with those (involving Oregon) is that they are unlikely to happen without significant upsets.
Note x2: These scenarios all involve Oregon and are not the end of the discussion. If Oregon loses two more games, the door opens in a lot of other directions as well.
Note x3: Moral of the story with three-way tiebreakers? Lose to Washington. That’s the reason Arizona and USC are most likely to win these scenarios.
Note x4: Arizona is the only other team to control its own destiny.

The Week Ahead and Who to Root For

For the most part, you’re safe to root for contending teams to lose. However, in some cases, it may help Oregon’s tiebreaking chances for certain contending teams to win. It’s confusing. Really confusing, actually. Like I said above, the best thing you can do is stop reading, turn on your TV Saturday and root for Oregon. It’s much simpler.

Matchup Root For… Why
Stan. @ USC USC Simply put, Oregon should root for Stanford to lose to both USC and Cal. The further down in the standings Stanford goes, the better Oregon’s tiebreaking chances are in a three-way tie for first.
UW @ OSU UW The Beavers have done the heavy lifting and now need only to beat Washington and Washington State to arrive at the Civil War with a 6-2 record. Oregon cares very little if Oregon State is the 4th place team as both Arizona and USC beat the Beavers. This means if OSU was a tiebreaking team in a three-way tie for first, it wouldn’t matter. Therefore, OSU winning does Oregon no good.
UCLA @ WSU Eh, whatever Yippee! No one cares.
ASU @ UO UO As usual, draw your own conclusions.
UA @ Cal UA Cal Given that Oregon has a chance to take the head-to-head from Arizona, it doesn’t necessarily want the Wildcats to lose every game. If UA became the tiebreaking team in a three-way tie for first, Oregon would have some advantages as both Stanford and OSU lost to them. Therefore, we want Arizona to finish ahead of Stanford in the standings. As a result, I’m pulling for UA to beat Cal, lose to USC and Oregon, and finish 6-3 in 4th place.

See the comment section below for why I changed to Cal. There is a two-way tie scenario with USC that works in Oregon’s favor. Thanks for the assist sx1080 and John G. It takes a village to figure this all out.

Who to Root For

Posted By: Nick, Off The Pond under Football @ 10:36 am | November 4, 2009 

Thanks to a suggestion from NautiDuck in a comment yesterday, I’m starting an occasional feature to keep track of who to root for every week. Currently, there are two things in play for Oregon: the Rose Bowl and the National Title game. Both take place in Pasadena.

With regards to the Rose Bowl race, we can safely ignore mathematically eliminated UCLA and Washington State. Both teams are currently at 0-5 in conference play and just waiting to play each other to figure out once and for all who is worse.

Let’s also remove Washington and Arizona State, two teams that could technically finish ahead of Oregon but only if the Ducks’ quarterback somehow became injured for the season leading to a slew of losses. It’s just such an unlikely scenario. Oh wait….

That leaves us with the teams below. There is actually a significant amount of work left for Oregon given that it hasn’t played three of these teams.

Team Record Head-to-Head
Arizona 3-1 -
Stanford 4-2 -
USC 3-2 W, 47-20
California 3-2 W, 35 42-3 (FIXED)
Oregon State 3-2 -

At 5-0 and as the only undefeated team, Oregon is the ruler of its destiny. As such, the take on who to root for this week is all about the national title picture. Sure, we could all pull for teams like USC and UA to lose, but it puts a ceiling on Oregon’s season that we don’t yet need. Perhaps after this weekend, I’ll get more into tie-breaker scenarios. It’s just too convoluted for that right now.

Matchup Root For… Why
UO @ Stan. Oregon Draw your own conclusions
WSU @ UA Arizona What you’re really rooting for here is to have the Ducks face a highly ranked 7-2 Wildcat team on the road. A win under that scenario would bolster Oregon’s national credentials.
UW @ UCLA UCLA Officially eliminates the Huskies. Well, I suppose there is a bizarreĀ  tiebreaker scenario that could keep them alive, but stuff like that only happens in the ACC.
OSU @ Cal OSU This game unofficially eliminates one or the other from Rose Bowl consideration. Ultimately, there are two reasons to root for Oregon State. (1) Oregon has the head-to-head advantage over Cal and (2) If OSU wins out to get to 8-3, the Ducks would probably be playing their sixth game against a ranked team. With the game on ESPN, it would be one final chance to make an important impression if the national title game is still in play.
USC @ ASU USC Arizona State is mostly cooked. If they beat USC, that would fry the Trojans, too, and like Arizona and OSU above, that’s great if you want the easiest path to the Rose Bowl. However, seeing as how the Ducks are in control, it would help Oregon’s national case to see the Trojans finish the season 10-2.

In chasing faint hopes of a national title game appearance, there’s very little guesswork in what to cheer for. There are only two games here that are open to interpretation.

Matchup Root For… Why/Comment
Vanderbilt @
#1 Florida
Vanderbilt At least Urban Meyer knows how to discipline his players.
UCF @ #2 Texas UCF Texas’ schedule is practically on par with Boise State. Pathetic.
#9 LSU @
#3 Alabama
LSU LSU has one loss to Florida. One of these two teams will likely play the Gators in the SEC title game. LSU winning here and then winning a rematch in Atlanta against Florida ensures all three teams have a loss forcing voters to make a decision. While it’s likely the SEC gets one of these teams regardless, at least there’s a chance with a loss on the books for every team.
Northwestern @
#4 Iowa
Northwestern The Hawkeyes are on their way to being the worst undefeated team in the history of football.
UConn @
#5 Cincinnati
UConn Oregon State did the Ducks no favors by losing to the Bearcats at home.
#6 TCU @
San Diego State
San Diego State I feel like I should skip Palo Alto and head down to Qualcomm this weekend and cheer like hell for the Aztecs.
#7 Boise St. @
Louisiana Tech
Boise State I’d rather put Oregon’s 11-1 body of work up against that of 12-0 Boise and let the chips fall as they may.